The .280 is 83 fps faster at 500 and has 92 ft-lbs more energy. 280 vs. 30-06 . 270 vs 30-06 Caliber comparison. The .270 is a bit better for long range (~400 yards) shots. The .308 virtually duplicates the .30-06, but with a shorter case, and thus a slightly shorter action/rifle. Own both but prefer the 30-06 for the bigger stuff because of the heavier bullets that can be used. the 30-06 is going strong. In the 150gr. Furthermore, shot placement and bullet construction / weight is far more important than choice of caliber. The rifle will have a light contour 22" barrel. The 30-06 ammo will also be cheaper than the .280 ammo. I am getting a new rifle and was considering a 280 and 270. rifle in .270 generates 16.5 ft-lbs of recoil with a 130-grain load at 3,140 fps. By David E. Petzal and Phil Bourjaily. Most people attest that .270 vs .30-06 favors the lighter round. Some fresh blood in the ring!! I have owned a .280 Rem, and a .270 Win, & I now have a 30-06 in my battery. A 150 grain 7mm bullet is an entirely different entity from a .30 cal 150. For most game, these two calibers will perform the same. Up until a few years ago, the 30-06 had a slight edge over the 280 or 280AI because of the availability of heavy for caliber bullet offerings in 30 cal, which made the 30-06 a better choice for heavy boned animals. and the .30-06. The 30-06 Springfield, 270 Winchester and 280 Remington are the Timex watch of elk cartridges. SUBSCRIBE. Nobody likes a quitter. the .284 W is much younger than the .280, but not as young as the "new kid" the 7mm-08. Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:36 am . And the '06 has 162 ft-lbs more energy. weight, the sectional density is much better, giving better arodynamics in … I was looking at some loads for the 30-06 in my Lyman books. No it doesn't. The 280 case is the 30-06 or 270 case stretched an additional .052 inches longer to ensure it cannot be fired in a 270. I used to have a 280 Remington and loved that cartridge. The added advantage of less recoil than the 7mm Remington Magnum is icing on the cake, and it will easily take any North American game, given proper shot placement and load. VS 30-06. The 30-06 ammo will also be cheaper than the .280 ammo. As we have stated before, we don’t think the data alone means that you are going to be more accurate just by choosing one cartridge over the other. Can you buy .280 Rem ammo in South America? !!!! Vince Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk. For example, reco… I will always be a fan and shooter of the .06. Joined: Dec 19, 2008 Messages: 11,269 Location: … etc. .270 vs. .30-06 – by Craig Boddington. If 30-06, you will shoot 150-168 grain bullets. Ballistics, velocity, trajectory, and energy data analysis. The .280 is suitable for hunting any game in … You can buy the ammunition anywhere that sells it. Joined Sep 8, 2016 Messages 130. The Captain is right in that you need to compare bullets with similar ballistic coefficients. Having a 30-06 and great 7mm rifle for next season at the ready just seems like a great way to go. Therefore, the felt recoil of any specific cartridge will vary according to the specific firearm used to fire the round. weight, the sectional density is much better, giving better arodynamics in flight and better penitration. Head to Head: .30-06 Springfield vs. .270 Winchester. Both are great, but you should hunt with Took out both shoulders and the deer was still able to run about 30yds. 1 of 2 Go to page. Is there a REAL reason that … I have a 30-06 and a 280 AI and if it were me I would consider one of those two cartridges. Your shots at most would be around 300 yards-most 200 yards or less. VS 30-06. Vince the 06 will do fine as will the 280AI it's personal preference. so why would I limit myself to the bullet selection of 270? IMO, if Remington had come out with 280 first, the "270 vs 280" argument would have never become a thing - 270 would be a minor foot note of interest to people like Boddington and a few others. Post subject: Re: .280 A.I. You will use handholds exclusively; no factory ammo. I traded my .30-06 years ago for a Ruger M77 .280 Rem. Pretty much the same answers as given above though. Ballistically speaking, this new round struck a sweet spot. _____ Not everyone would take my path to deal with the 280 vs 30 caliber question but it works for me, and it is fun to create a nice big game hunting kit and armory!!! August 2, 2006 Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:59 am . Ammo for the .280 is tough to find. How do they compare to the 06. Dan. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufacturer Go. The .280 competes with the .270 Winchester, yet hunters pass it by for the .270 Winchester, the .30-06 Springfield, or the .280’s big brother, the 7mm Remington Magnum. Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:48 pm . Perceived recoil, or what the shooter feels, is purely subjective. .280 vs .30-06 [edit | edit source] The .280 Remington is capable of developing energy nearly equal to the .30-06 Springfield, but with lighter bullets having a better ballistic coefficient. The resulting cartridge was based on the .30-06 case necked down to 7mm (.284”). The .280 remington loads STOP at about 16/1700 fps. If our wives knew how wishy-washy we were about guns and cartridges, they'd never trust any compliment we gave them. The.280 Remington is capable of developing energy nearly equal to the.30-06 Springfield, but with lighter bullets having a better ballistic coefficient. From this perspective it will take more than a few ft*lbs or fps to unseat the king. in 280 Rem is more similar to 165-gr. The .280 doesn't kick as hard but shoots smaller, lighter bullets. the .284 W is much younger than the .280, but not as young as the "new kid" the 7mm-08. 4.9K Views Last Post 02 August 2008; Standard Member jhalcott posted this 23 July 2008 Boolit Master Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 717 . In the 150gr. As you might already know or have guessed, the 280 Remington, like it’s 270 Winchester cousin, sprang from the loins of the old 30-06. There's no reason to hurry. the 30-06 is going strong. #1446979 - 12/17/09 09:39 AM Re: .280 vs .30-06 vs. 300 Win Mag [Re: CacheCreek] NM_HighPlains Die Hard Member II Registered: 01/10/07 Posts: 1577 Loc: New Mexico Originally Posted By: CacheCreek. For deer with a 280 Rem, I'd suggest a slightly lighter bullet around 140-gr. Take brass home, and then reload it as normal for any other bottle necked rifle case. The .30-06 is the most popular hunting cartridge, so I would expect a larger variety of loads for it. From this podium of wisdom the 22 short is a vastly underappreciated big game cartridge. Und wenn einer die .30-06 wegen der Aussprache oder wegen seiner Ahnen nicht mag, dann soll er halt eine der übrigen nehmen! The 280 AI is just a bit more potent. The reverse is not true. Clearly the .280 is far better, because I've had one since 1985, and haven't had an '06 since about 1982. The advantage of the 280 AI is the better selection of high BC bullets, slightly lower recoil and longer brass life. Some of these have been factory cartridges some haven't been. Next Last. In other words, people tend to believe what is best based on what their family and friends have used and personal experience. By the way I got my first smoke pole kill this weekend with a 195 gr .45 caliber powerbelt bullet at 25 yds. Which would you get. The .30-06 produces more energy than the .280 with bullets heavier than 180 grains, though .284" 175 grain bullets have a high sectional density of .310, compared to the 30-06 180 grain bullet with a moderate sectional density of .271. They “take a lickin’ and keep on tickin’. Maverick223 Member. #1446746 - 12/17/09 12:46 AM Re: .280 vs .30-06 vs. 300 Win Mag mark shubert Die Hard Member III Registered: 01/01/04 Posts: 2155 Loc: Las Vegas NM Highplains, in my opinion, the 338 hurts me less than the 7mm & 300 mags. 30-06 Springfield. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. According to rifle, ammunition and reloading die sales, the 30-06 and the 270 are still numbers one and two. A Few Kind Words About the .280 Remington. Jones proved—he hunted all the North American game species with the same Remington.30-06 rifle—the versatility of the .30-06 Springfield is its strongest virtue. 280 vs. 30-06. I have always wanted a .280AI but the more I research the .300 WSM the more I am interested … #1448079 - 12/18/09 08:44 AM Re: .280 vs .30-06 vs. 300 Win Mag [Re: NM_HighPlains] Bob Addy Die Hard Member II Registered: 02/09/03 Posts: 1844 Loc: Big Spring,Texas I have your setup. Nosler does make really good brass for the 280 AI. The .280 doesn't kick as hard but shoots smaller, lighter bullets. Dubbed the .280 Rem., the cartridge was based on the .30-06 case necked down to hold .284-inch bullets with the shoulder moved .050 inch forward so it couldn’t be chambered in a .270 Win. This one actually beats the performance of the 270 Winchester in most categories. You compared 150 grain bullets between the two. The last two decades short magnums and ultra magnums have been the … Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Mulliga, Jan 21, 2004. Rifles with good extractors can hold the 270 shell rigidly enough in the 280 to cause excessive headspace. Noting the success of the 27-caliber 30-06, Remington created a 7mm version appropriately labeled the 280 Remington. In the 150gr. Most of us have probably hunted with one or both of them at one time or another, but which is ultimately the better choice? There is no dust on the 30-06 and it is a performer on game. By the way I know the post is about 280 vs 280AI but I am using the 270 Win only to make my point because it's been around so long, is so popular and is considered a great round. The ballistic facts here are these: the 150 grain .30 caliber bullet and the 150 grain .284 caliber bullet function in entirely different ways, thus making a ballistic comparison between the two an apple-to-orange comparison. Truly appreciate you watching the videos!Which will shoot through the steel?? Deren einziger Nachteil, der .30-06 gegenüber, ist die geringere Verfügbarkeit von Fabriklaborierungen, aber das juckt einen Wiederlader ohnehin nicht. There pretty much all apples to apples, but. .30-06 Remington factory 165 grain bullets are 142fps faster at 500 yards than a 165 .280 is at that distance. VS 30-06 . .280 vs .30-06 The .280 Remington is capable of developing energy nearly equal to the .30-06 Springfield , but with lighter bullets having a better ballistic coefficient . Coming from a gun-impoverished family, I've never shot these rounds. Wenn es so etwas wie Universalpatronen gibt, dann sind es die 7x64, .30-06 oder 8x64. The .280 Remington is part of the .30-06 family that also encampeses the 6mm-06, 25-06, .270 Win, 6.5mm-06, 35 Wheelen, and the 338-06. Neither are exactly new; the .270 was introduced clear back in 1925, while the .30-06 passed its centennial seven years ago (wow!). Of the whole family the parent case is probably the most famous due to the adoption by the US military and also as a hunting cartridge. in 30-06. was really made from the 30-03, which was the predecessor to the 30-06 three years before the military realized they didn’t need a 220-grain round nose bullet. Any modern, strong bolt-action that can handle a 30-06, 270 Win., 25-06 Rem. Some sticklers will insist the 270 Win. The 30-06 is a fine round and tough to beat as a do all cartridge. Most people attest that .270 vs .30-06 favors the lighter round. Ok, I seriously believe Remington's comparison is pitifully, painfully inaccurate! The two most popular big-game cartridges among American hunters remain the .270 and .30-06. Top . 150-gr. rifle. Joined: Sat May 26, 2012 2:45 pm Posts: 3865 Dan, Don't be a quitter. Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3. 6mm … As is the case with many other cartridges developed in the United States, the story of the .270 Winchester, the .280 Remington, the .280 Ackley Improved, and the 7mm Remington Magnum starts with the . Must see data comparison! Having a 30-06 and great 7mm rifle for next season at the ready just seems like a great way to go. Rachel Comment. For deer with a 280 Rem, I'd suggest a slightly lighter bullet around 140-gr. etc. Yet, the big three, ’06, 270, 280 are still with us. I've only practiced with two rifle calibers, .22 short/LR and 7.62x39. In my opinion the .280 was not really necessary because the 7mm is roughly a .284 and very similar. I got these results off there sight , so question there accuracy. Graphs and visuals can be filtered and changed by you. The .280 is a fantastic cartridge; in fact it is almost as good as a 30-06! I think the 280 will be an excellent round but with the HUGE selection of ammo for the 30-06, it is going to be hard to knock the king off his throne. Comparing two tried-and-true big-game cartridges. 280 vs. 30-06 The.280 is a 7mm, same diameter as the 7x57M, 7x 61 S&H, 7mm Weatherby, 7mm Rem. Unlike the .270 Winchester, the .280 Remington has been struggling almost since its inception in 1957. PS: Exactly where on Remington's site did you find such a comparison? If you want something new and different go the 280AI if not go the 06. or 180-gr. Here we have a couple of undeniably classic cartridges that have been putting meat in hunter’s freezers and smiles on their faces for generations. They're much closer with 150 grain bullets though. .30-06 Remington factory 165 grain bullets are 142fps faster at 500 yards than a 165 .280 is at that distance. Pretty much the same answers as given above though. What does it matter, like everybody knows its all about bullet placement. Everything I've shot with either ended up on the table with some side dishes. Since that debate has been hashed out you should have gone 30-06 vs 280 Remington. .30 caliber 150 grain bullet has a sectional density of .226, and is designed for extremely fast expansion. The "best" cartridge discussions usually has more to do with whats in the safe or closet, rather than a rational discussion of ballistics. It would be impossible to name all the cartridges—factory and wildcat—that have been developed since the ’06 came out. More. The only disadvantage of the.280 Remington, in comparison to the parent.30-06 cartridge, is that for large heavily muscled animals the.30-06 user has a choice of 180 … Here's what happened when it took on the three most popular cartridges in the world. The Captain is right in that you need to compare bullets with similar ballistic coefficients. Just wanted to point out there are sometimes better ways of doing things but it's tradition that stops us sometimes. Not everyone would take my path to deal with the 280 vs 30 caliber question but it works for me, and it is fun to create a nice big game hunting kit and armory!!! Recoil (sometimes called “kick”) is the rearward movement of the firearm when fired. Ammo for the .280 is tough to find. They have 150 grain loads to 2500+ fps. From Guns and Gear® Season 4, Tom Gresham discusses the .280 Remington. It also utilizes the.30-06 as a parent case, and as it's necked down to.284, its bullet is exactly.007 inch larger than the.270. Wonder if anyone can give their impressions on the .300 WSM or .280AI. Two of the most well-known cartridges go head-to-head in this detailed article. 30-06. Cazador119 ⭐ Join Date: Feb 2013; Posts: 8; Share Tweet #15. The.280 is a 7mm, same diameter as the 7x57M, 7x 61 S&H, 7mm Weatherby, 7mm Rem. However, the last place that a reasonable compairison can be made is the 175gr. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > Mulliga Member. the .284 W is much younger than the .280, but not as young as the "new kid" the 7mm-08. Over the last 5-10 years, however, that has begun to change. Various sources suggest that Remington engineers were interested in creating a high powered 7mm cartridge for several years before reaching their long term goal. Post subject: Re: .280 A.I. Without an altered case such as the 280AI as an example. etc. .30-06. Even with a few name changes, this cartridge is still one of the best around. Not that either should be fired at any game at 500. Post Cancel. I've killed a lot of elk, and one thing I've noticed is that even with a double lung shot the elk will stay on it's feet for another 15-20 seconds after impact . As you might already know or have guessed, the 280 Remington, like it’s 270 Winchester cousin, sprang from the loins of the old 30-06. I am in the process of replacing my 30-06 with a 280 Rem because I wanted the lower recoil with less drop without having to put up with more wind drift. If you go to a large gun store they will have 20 different kinds of 30-06 ammo and one box of .280. And to captian these are not my comparisons. The big difference is in the availiability of top quality factory ammo. Up until a few years ago, the 30-06 had a slight edge over the 280 or 280AI because of the availability of heavy for caliber bullet offerings in 30 cal, which made the 30-06 a better choice for heavy boned animals. Copyright © 2000-2020 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. How about this debate out of these cartridges based on the 30-06 to include the 30-06 which one is the best in the pack? The 270 vs 30-06 debate has gone on for about as long as the .270 Winchester and .30-06 Springfield have existed. The .280 Remington was introduced in 1957. They're much closer with 150 grain bullets though. It also utilizes the .30-06 as a parent case, and as it's necked down to .284, its bullet is exactly .007 inch larger than the .270. The 270 vs 30-06 debate has gone on for about as long as the .270 Winchester and .30-06 Springfield have existed. weight, the sectional density is much better, giving better arodynamics in flight and better penitration. These things are correct, and yet the cartridge has never been especially popular. By the numbers, according to the Chuck Hawks recoil table, an 8-lb. Both, along with so many other .280 fans, will tell you that it is the best cartridge we have based on the .30-06 case. in 30-06. Jan 14, 2017 #1 Non-Lead Hunter Active member. Joined: Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:55 am Posts: 3084 Location: Battle Mountain, NV Well said Fotis. Felt as impact on our shoulder when we shoot, the amount of recoil generated by any rifle load depends on several factors, including the weight and design of the rifle. 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